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  1. MusicMachine

    MusicMachine The people in me

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    Exactly, you should all give your land, homes etc back to the aboriginal natives and return to your European homelands..................Oh hang on that doesn't make much sense does it.
     
  2. bladeway

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    maybe TR, but instead of Anglo-americans, these are Jews, the same people that Nazis attempted to exterminate in Europe in the 1930s and 1940s. The same people who, when crying for a safe haven in which to flee, were ignored by every country on the planet, so six million of them were murdered, after being rounded up and herded into concentration camps by compliant governments in europe, including France, Italy, Romania, Denmark......>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
     
  3. ThornyRose

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    Many jews did leave Germany during that period, but you have to remember that the war was brewing, and most countrys did not trust an imigrant from Germany(a spy)
    Much the same way we hearded Japan and China people into concentration camps at the start of WWII. Please give me some links for proof about what you say of Denmark, and Romania. and was it the Danish government or the German occupation government..
     
  4. bladeway

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    sure, will do TR, but in the meantime you have to know that Nazis didn't invent anti-semitism. It was alive and well all across europe. Nazis hardly had to put guns to peoples heads to get help rounding up jews.
     
  5. bladeway

    bladeway Porn Star

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    here you go TR.... proof that countries sent their own jews, their own citizens, to be concentrated into camps, or in no way resisted Nazis from taking their own citizens. SOme of the more western countries, like the netherlands and france, were less-helpful, while eastern european countries were almost gleeful to help. Enjoy this fascinating piece of history.

    Less Compliant countries
    The Netherlands
    Belgium
    France
    Denmark
    Norway

    Compliant countries
    Romania
    Bulgaria
    Slovakia
    Hungary
    Croatia
    Italy

    All found at this site
    *not_secure_link*www.holocaust-education.dk/holocaust/deportationer.asp
     
  6. bladeway

    bladeway Porn Star

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    And to answer your next question, TR, America sent no jews to germany's concentration camps.
     
  7. Kimiko

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    True, although we did deny asylum to Jews attempting to immigrate. What was the name of that ship...the Saint Louis?
     
  8. Rockprincess

    Rockprincess Celestial Princess

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    Isn't it true though that the US choose to ignore the problem for many years??? They did nothing to stop what was happening to the Jewish people...
    I'm a drop older then some of you and I never learned about it in school...It wasn't in my history books growing up.
     
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  9. trumpet

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    there was a lot of ignoring the plight of the jews going on. Ther is a bit of re-writing of history these days that would have you believe that the allies fought the Nazis because of the way they were mistreating the jews. It's a nice idea but totally unfounded in any truth. We fought the nazis to retain our own freedom and sovereignty. The freeing of the jews and the end of the concentration camps was a by-product of us prosecuting a war against an aggressive military dictatorship, not the aim of that war.
     
  10. bladeway

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    Most european Jews would have been giddy had they been given the chance to cross the atlantic....
    However, most that did manage to escape europe did so by boat, across the Mediterranean sea, to Israel. This was extremely dangerous, and the price of even an ancient boat that could manage this trip was outrageous during the war. Many of these boats left Romania, through the Black sea, overcrowded with Jews, crewed by uncaring and often, they didn't make it. If the ship were seaworthy enough to make it to the waters of Israel, which certainly was not always, they would have to run a gauntlet of British Destroyers, which patrolled the israeli waters in order to turn away these imigrants. The British, always pro-arab, thought the jews should just stay in europe. and not immigrate. This British policy is outlined in the famous british White Papers of 1939, which was almost criminally compliant with Nazi efforts.
     
  11. jevk

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    In my opinion, all we have done is defend ourselves. Osama in Afghanistan attacked the United States in a vicious attack that killed 2,996 Americans, including many civilians. Saddam Hussein was not a direct force in this, but he was killing his own share of innocent lives. He had 2 tons of enriched weapon grade uranium as well as other radioactive elements that could be used to make a dirty bomb.

    On another note, we send billions to people in other countries who need it. We send money to Africa for all their AIDs relief and everything, we sent money to Asia for the tsunami, we helped rebuild Europe after the World Wars, we donate billions upon billions to the poor people who need it.

    Do not say that we are committing these so called 'atrocities'. If torturing terrorists is what must be done to keep you safe, your parents safe, your brothers and sisters, eventually wife or husband, perhaps your kids safe, is it really an atrocity? Do you really want to live in constant fear of a foreign attack because you want to grant these animals who kill civilians willfully the same rights as you would have? Do YOU want to be put on the same level as a murderer?
     
  12. chunky

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    .........anyone fancy a pint ??
     
  13. jevk

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    Actually, Italy and the Netherlands were the only two countries to save their entire Jewish populations.

    Also, I believe that Denmark destroyed their army so that the Nazis couldn't use it
     
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  14. stumbler

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    There was no Israel until after the war, so where was it that the Jew migrated to Bladeway?
     
  15. MusicMachine

    MusicMachine The people in me

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    In Baghdad a bomb just killed 130 people. At the rate the west will have all of the oil.
     
  16. Rockprincess

    Rockprincess Celestial Princess

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    I saw that a little while ago...That's terrible and it's getting worse everyday...
     
  17. stumbler

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    Can you see where your statements contradict themselves. You start out saying all we did was defend ourselves, for the attack on 9/11. Then you admit that Iraq didn't have anything to do with that, but Saddam was killing his own people. That's not defending ourselves, and if you'd bothered to read some of this thread you'd know that is a pretty weak argument since the US put Saddam in power and supplied him with the weapons he used to kill his own people with. Then you state facts that have already been proven false.

    Next you cite the USA's benevolent acts but lack the proper perspective. The USA has also poured over $400 billion into the war in Iraq which even you can't find a justification for and there are an estmated 600,000. With what Bush is asking Congress to appropriate for the next two years the war in Iraq will cost around $650 billion dollars and perhaps a million lives. I'm afraid that will cancell out a lot of the good we have done.

    And finally you seem to want to praise out country by spouting the communist doctrine of the end justifies the means.

    Strange things indeed.
     
  18. jevk

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    You are mincing my words. I said he was not a direct force in the incident, I am not saying he is free of blame. The fact that he had 2 tons of weapon grade uranium just affirms the fact that he was going to attack either the US or an ally.

    I am not saying that the ends always justify the means, but if a few murderers' suffering could save thousands, perhaps millions of innocent civilians' lives, would you sacrifice those innocent lives to save those murderers from your so called "injustices"?
     
  19. stumbler

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    OK what was Saddam Husseins "blame" for 9/11? And could you please cite a source where Saddam had two tons of weapon grade uranium because I've followed events in Iraq pretty closely and I am not aware of thiis.

    Now you are still saying "if saving thousands perhaps millions of innocent civilians livese" (which is the end) it would justify making a few murderers suffering, (which you earlier defined as tourtured and killed, which is the means.)

    But let's look at that another way Suppose I agreed with you and we believed someone was going to kill a bunch of people, but we decided to kill tham first, wouldn't that make us murderers?
     
  20. Kimiko

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    That's exactly what it would make you. The term for it is "prior restraint", and it's a no-no in our legal system.